LET THE BELLS OF FREEDOM RING - Lakota Group Secedes From U.S. by Bill Harlan, Rapid City Journal Staff 20th December 2007
LET THE BELLS OF FREEDOM RING - Lakota group secedes from U.S.
by Bill Harlan,
Rapid City Journal Staff
Thursday, December 20th 2007
LET THE BELLS OF FREEDOM RING - Lakota group secedes from U.S.
534 COMMENTS AS OF 13TH AUGUST 2008
Political activist Russell Means, a founder of the American Indian Movement, says he and other members of Lakota tribes have renounced treaties and are withdrawing from the United States.
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"We are now a free country and independent of the United States of America," Means said in a telephone interview. "This is all completely legal."
Means said a Lakota delegation on Monday delivered a statement of "unilateral withdrawal" from the United States to the U.S. State Department in Washington.
The State Department did not respond. "That'll take some time," Means said.
Meanwhile, the delegation has delivered copies of the letter to the embassies of Bolivia, Venezuela, Chile and South Africa. "We're asking for recognition," Means said, adding that Ireland and East Timor are "very interested" in the declaration.
Other countries will get copies of the same declaration, which Means said also would be delivered to the United Nations and to state and county governments covered by treaties, including treaties signed in 1851 and 1868. "We're willing to negotiate with any American political entity," Means said.
The United States could face international pressure if it doesn't agree to negotiate, Means said. "The United State of America is an outlaw nation, we now know. We've understood that as a people for 155 years."
Means also said his group would file liens on property in parts of South Dakota, Nebraska, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming that were illegally homesteaded.
The Web site for the declaration, "Lakota Freedom," briefly crashed Thursday as wire services picked up the story and the server was overwhelmed, Means said.
Delegation member Phyllis Young said in an online statement: "We are not trying to embarrass the United States. We are here to continue the struggle for our children and grandchildren." Young was an organizer of Women of All Red Nations.
Other members of the delegation include Rapid City-area activist Duane Martin Sr. and Gary Rowland, a leader of the Chief Big Foot Riders.
Means said anyone could live in the Lakota Nation, tax free, as long as they renounced their U.S. citizenship. The nation would issue drivers licenses and passports, but each community would be independent. "It will be the epitome of individual liberty, with community control," Means said.
To make his case, Means cited several articles of the U.S. Constitution, the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties and a recent nonbinding U.N. resolution on the rights of indigenous people.
He thinks there will be international pressure. "If the U.S. violates the law, the whole world will know it," Means said.
Means' group is based in Porcupine on Pine Ridge Indian Reservation.
It is not an agency or branch of the Oglala Sioux Tribe. Means ran unsuccessfully for president of the tribe in 2006.
Lakota tribes have long claimed that the U.S. government stole land guaranteed by treaties -- especially in western South Dakota. "The Missouri River is ours, and so are the Black Hills," Means said.
A U.S. Supreme Court decision in 1980 awarded the tribes $122 million as compensation, but the court did not award land. The Lakota have refused the settlement. (As interest accrues, the unclaimed award is approaching $1 billion.)
In the late 1980s, then-Sen. Bill Bradley of New Jersey introduced legislation to return federal land to the tribes, and California millionaire Phil Stevens also tried to win support for a proposal to return the Black Hills to the Lakota.
Contact Bill Harlan at 394-8424 or bill.harlan @ rapidcityjournal.com
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534 COMMENTS
Lakota oyate wrote on Jul 9, 2008 10:53 AM:
" Do you people even know what you are saying? White people say the Natives should be greatful?.. for what! killing our ancestors, exposing our people to alcohol, crime and drugs! last but not leats trying to buy the paha sapa for money? that is like them trying to buy a house you are living in.
this is ridiculous. I am a lakota wiyan and i will remain a lakota woman. despite the things the "europeans" did to try and make us white they failed and they will continue to fail. For those of you who think that the lakota are a Independant nation you are wrong. white people take our children away. We as lakotas' are judged because we act like the white man. I am aslo American in white terms. White people came from britian and eslewhere, they were not born here, they just escaped here so they can have religious freedom, well do you critize them? columbus is considered a heroe for Discovering America. How can one take credit for thast of which they did not do. that would be like me saying i invented the telephone.
this land was ours to begin with. The united states have continuously broken treaties. "
John Dalmas wrote on Jun 12, 2008 6:35 PM:
" What kind of foolishness is this? They expect us to be HONEST after all these years? The next thing you know, someone will demand that Israel get honest with Palestine!
John "
551 wrote on Mar 14, 2008 3:48 PM:
" After 550 replies I've decided to say my piece. I am a Native American Indian (DINE) or Navajo if you will. I Know Russell Means and also a good many people in PineRidge and Rosebud. My Children are 1\2 Dine and !\2 Rosebud Lakota. My Takojas or Grandchildren are enrolled in the Rosebud Lakota Nation. Non of my family members nor my childrens Lakota ralatives have EVER recieved a government check EXCEPT for the Federal Income Tax Checks which I and Millions of Americans receive once a year IF we file for it. Nor have we ever received a Tribal paycheck from either tribe. We All Work (except for the school age children and young ones)and pay our own bills. We have friends who are white, black oriental,mexican, among other of our Native brothers and sisters. We vote in State,National, and Tribal elections. We do not receive charities from churches or other charitable organizations but do give monies to several Native and National organizations and still give of our tithes to the church which we attend in Mission S.D. We DO NOT support Russell Means or the Republic of Lakotah as my Wife's Lakota people also Do Not support that man. Many of you who do not know about the treaties made between the various Indian Nations do not understand the complexities of those documents made by the government of the United States with these Nations. So commenting on an issue which you know nothing about is worthless and a waste of time. When great events in history occurs we want to remember that event and many Holidays began because of these events. But when shameful events happen we tend to Forget and or sweep it under the proverbial carpet. I would encourage all to Learn about one another and respect one's right to their opinions. We cannot force our beliefs or opinions on one another. As for Russell Means, before you become entranced with his rhetoric do some research on the man. Not just his website, but check the facts, visit the Reservation town of Porcupine and Look for the Immersion School. talk with the residents of that and other communities and then you will get the real picture of who this "Leader" is. Before you donate your hard earned money check to see just how much really benefits his tribe. You just might see through the smoke screen and the Hollywood acting. Yes our people are poor. But wealth is not everything. We are rich in our families and culture. Come to South Dakota, see with your own eyes and then make up your mind. Don't trust all news accounts or activist who say that they speak for all one people and get donations but give nothing to those people which thay proclaim to represent. Not all Whites in S.D. hate Indians and not ALL Indians hate Whites. But there is racism on both sides because of misunderstanding and lack of communication and compassion and the unwillingness to learn from our mistakes. I write this with compassion for all and a good heart and with PEACE to ALL Nations and ALL people. "
littsioux wrote on Mar 12, 2008 8:29 AM:
" I would like nothing more than for my grandmothers people my people to become a sovereign people but who is this one you call [Means ] I have not heard of him until now from what I have heard he dose not speak for all of the Lakota Sioux people so who is this man. "
Virgil Soule wrote on Feb 26, 2008 7:47 AM:
" I'm coming into this discussion a little late and everyone else has probably lost interest and moved on. Nevertheless, I'd like to throw some things out to see what response we get.
First, I don't understand what Russell Means is seceding from. As I recall, the tribes - Lakota/Dakota, Navaho, or whoever - were treated as separate nations by the US Government, hence the various treaties placing them on reservation lands. Unless that has changed, the tribes as entities are not part of the US and therefore the idea of secession has no meaning. Individually, Indians or Native Americans or whatever are US citizens and can live anywhere they want in the US. It doesn't sound like Mr. Means is renouncing his citizenship, however. Surely, Mr. Means is not talking about abrogating the treaties and resuming hostilities between the Sioux Nation and the US Government.
Second, the reservations are on Federal lands, so where is Mr. Means going to secede to? The treaties were really surrender documents. By agreeing to live on the reservations, the Indians gave up all claims to their ancestral lands. The tribes are probably separate nations in name only. The Federal Government's long term strategy is probably to simply wait until the Indians die off or lose interest and leave the reservations. The ensuing land sales will be a thing to behold. I'm sure.
I think the various tribes should petition the government to give the reservation lands to them. This would get them out from under the Bureau of Indian Affairs. If they retain their status as separate nations, they will need to sign on to the North American Free Trade Agreement and negotiate new border control treaties with the US.
OR, the tribes could join the Union as new states. This would place them under the protection of the Constitution and would give them direct representation in the Congress. As states, the tribes would be free to govern themselves as they please. For industry, the Lakota/Dakota could restore the prairie lands and grow buffalo. Buffalo meat is superior to beef, I'm told.
This is just off the top of my head and may be completely far-fetched, but I thought I would toss it out and see what comes back.
Virgil H. Soule
Frederick, MD "
You have to be kidding me wrote on Jan 28, 2008 7:34 PM:
" If this is what they want give it to them along with everything else that goes along with being a foriegn country, like passports to come off the rez , no valid drivers license to drive in the USA , no US currency , the basics find their own like gas , oil , food , electricity , telephone , WELFARE to mention just a few. So it means cut them off completely and let them see how much white america does for them. "
Soul in Flight 77 wrote on Jan 28, 2008 10:29 AM:
" This is a very heated issue. I am on the side of the people who actually want to gain independence from their oppressors. Yes, I am referring to the white majority who run the country! I, myself am white, but I see things with open eyes and a clear head. Russell Means may not have done this in a matter that pleases everyone, but he is doing what he believes is right and is in the best interest of the people that he fights for. If they don't approve, they don't have to associate with his ideals. The Lakota people who don't want this shouldn't be embarrassed by someone who is trying to fight for their rights. If they don't approve of the way he speaks for them, then they should get involved. I know, easier said than done. But if you don't stand up for yourself you will become oppressed by the beliefs that you do not share with others of your community. And from there it is a long road out of that pit. I believe in the integrity and the conviction with which Mr. Means states his case. Native American tribes all over this nation were cheated out of what was due them. I agree with Means' statement that we have become an "outlaw country", as we have lost favor with many other nations, as well as with our own people. I hope for a peaceful resolution to the Lakota Nation issue and hope that they will come to an agreement amongst themselves and with the U.S. Hold together, as division is a very powerful, destructive weapon. "
casey van wrote on Jan 12, 2008 6:04 PM:
" This is the greatest news story yet.
more will succeed as the USA does not represent the people in the Union and rather only the rich marginalized capital control industrialists at the top. So the people leave the union, and what is left
a mere mere skeleton, nothing of su bstance. ..
good for lakota. !!! "
Scott or Golanv Igvyi wrote on Jan 7, 2008 10:39 AM:
" We here in Nebraska Support the withdrawal regardless who is or is not in charge.We are a Native, (Yankton Sioux,Northern Ponca, Mi'kmaq, and Cherokee)Family who own land within the Boundaries set. We are in full support of withdrawal from the US dictatorship! The wealthy power mongers may put a new puppet in charge every 4 to 8 years but it changes nothing. Our Constitution was trashed years ago with the right to keep and bear arms crushed by the Brady law, and the federalization of the militia into army reserve. Any of you who think your free just try going out of the country without a passport, or drive around with a concealed weapon for protection. see what happens if you get caught. Next time someone goes off in a classroom or mall and starts killing see how long it takes to stop them with unarmed citizens. Ducks in a shooting gallery man! When you realize this loss of freedom and try taking Thomas Jefferson's advise about revolution being the only way to keep the republic free and safe see how easy it will be with no weapons in the private sector. The Lakotah fight for freedom and independence is a fight many of you will wish had been won when you realize the Government has stolen yours also. I am done now you can go back to watching TV or playing video games and ignoring the theft of your human rights. "
Buh Bye! wrote on Jan 4, 2008 9:07 PM:
" Why should anyone even get worked up over this? So what? Who cares? There really is no practical implication to this whole stunt. So, I'll just say buh bye, see you later, don't let the door hit you in the rear end, hope your new country does well. Buh bye... "
Renunciation of U.S. Citizenship by Persons Claiming a Right of Residence in U.S. wrote on Jan 4, 2008 8:32 PM:
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RENUNCIATION OF U.S. CITIZENSHIP BY PERSONS CLAIMING A RIGHT OF RESIDENCE IN THE UNITED STATES
Section 349(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act [8 U.S.C. 1481] governs how a U.S. citizen shall lose U.S. nationality. Section 349(a) states:
A person who is a national of the United States whether, by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality:
(5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state, in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State; or
(6) making in the United States a formal written renunciation of nationality in such form as may be prescribed by, and before such officer as may be designated by, the Attorney General, whenever the United States shall be in a state of war and the Attorney General shall approve such renunciation as not contrary to the interests of national defense.
Renunciation is the most unequivocal way in which a person can manifest an intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Those contemplating a renunciation of U.S. citizenship should understand that renunciation is irrevocable, except as provided in Section 351 of the Immigration and Nationality Act, and cannot be cancelled or set aside absent successful administrative or judicial appeal. Consequently, renunciation of U.S. citizenship is not a step to be taken lightly. Because renunciation is a serious matter to be undertaken soberly and advisedly, persons contemplating renunciation are advised by U.S. consular officers to consider the matter carefully and, if they chose to proceed, to come back to the U.S. embassy or consulate after a period of reflection.
In accordance with Section 358 of the Immigration and Nationality Act, while persons seeking to renounce U.S. citizenship submit the necessary documentation to a U.S. consular officer at a U.S. Foreign Service post abroad, the decision whether to approve the renunciation is made by the Department of State in Washington, D.C. Accordingly, unless and until a certificate of loss of nationality is approved by the U.S. Department of State, the oath of renunciation, even though signed by the individual is not/not legally effective in terminating the person's U.S. citizenship.
In order for a renunciation under Section 349(a)(5) to be effective, all of the conditions of the statute must be met. In other words, a person wishing to renounce American citizenship must appear in person and sign an oath of renunciation before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer abroad, generally at an American Embassy or Consulate. Moreover, Section 349(b) of the Act provides that:
Any person who commits or performs, or who has committed or performed, any act of expatriation under the provisions of this of any other Act shall be presumed to have done so voluntrily, but such presumption may be rebutted upon a showing, by a preponderance of the evidence, that the act or acts committed or performed were not done voluntarily.
In addition, please be aware that:
The U.S. Department of State has concluded that the intention to relinquish U.S. nationality required for purposes of finding loss of nationality for the purposes of Section 349(a) of the INA does not exist where a renunciant plans or claims a right to continue to reside in the United States, unless the renunciant demonstrates that residence will be as an alien documented properly under U.S. law.
Renunciations which are not in the form prescribed by the Secretary of State have no legal effect. Because of the way in which Section 349(a)(5) is written and interpreted, Americans cannot effectively renounce their citizenship by mail, through an agent, or while in the United States. Section 349(a)(6) provides for renunciation of United States citizenship under certain circumstances in the United States when the United States is in a state of war. Such a state does not currently exist. Questions concerning renunciation of American citizenship under Section 349(a)(6) should be addressed to the Attorney General.
Persons who contemplate renunciation of U.S. nationality should be aware that, unless they already possess a foreign nationality or are assured of acquiring another nationality shortly after completing their renunciation, severe hardship to them could result. In the absence of a second nationality, those individuals would become stateless. As stateless persons, they would not be entitled to the protection of any government. They might also find it difficult or impossible to travel as they would probably not be entitled to a passport from any country. Further, a person who has renounced U.S. nationality will be required to apply for a visa to travel to the United States, just as other aliens do. If found ineligible for a visa, a renunciant could be permanently barred from the United States. Renunciation of American citizenship does not necessarily prevent a former citizen's deportation from a foreign country to the United States.
Persons considering renunciation should also be aware that the fact that they have renounced U.S. nationality may have no effect whatsoever on their U.S. tax or military service obligations. Nor will it allow them to escape possible prosecution for crimes which they may have committed in the United States, or repayment of financial obligations previously incurred in the United States. Questions about these matters should be directed to the government agency concerned.
Those persons who, after careful consideration of the contents of this letter and its enclosures, desire to renounce U.S. citizenship may contact the U.S. embassy to make an appointment, bearing in mind that they will be asked to demonstrate poof of foreign residence, or failing that, evidence that they intend to enter the United States as an alien with documentation t that effect. Moreover, a person in possession of a U.S. passport will be asked to submit that passport to the U.S. consular officer for cancellation. If the certificate of loss of nationality is approved by the U.S. Department of State, the individual's name will be entered in the Department's name check system and they will be ineligible for U.S. passports in the future.
As previously stated, persons contemplating renunciation of U.S. citizenship are reminded that renunciation is irrevocable, except as provided in Section 351 of the Immigration and Nationality Act, and cannot be cancelled or set aside absent successful administrative or judicial appeal.
If you have any questions, contact a U.S. consular officer at the U.S. embassy or the Department of State (CA/OCS/PRI) at 202-647-3666.
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re: itsjusmyopinion wrote on Jan 4, 2008 7:36 PM:
" i believe those are lemmings you are talking about...but either way i agree means needs to go !!!! "
namby pamby wrote on Jan 4, 2008 6:49 PM:
" If they want to secede, by all means let them. They just have to BUY their own land or move out of the country. Hopefully the latter. That will be an even bigger relief on taxpayers pockets. So long! Good knowing ya'! "
Treaties are contracts between sovereign nations wrote on Jan 4, 2008 6:27 PM:
" The Treaties between the various Tribal Nations and the United States of America are questioned on their validity because of the tactics used by the U.S. in procuring the necessary signatures or the "X" mark by touching of the pen. If three fourths of the adult male Tribal members were to have signed or marked their "X" by touching of the pen for the Treaties, then that requirement was not met in the vast majority of the Treaties with the Tribes.
And Russel Means and his handful Lakota which comprises his group is not an individual Tribe nor were they ever recognized as a sovereign nation by the U.S. Now if you look at any Treaty that involved the Oglalas, those Treaties were recognized as a Sovereign Nation and I doubt Russel Means can act or negotiate with the United States Government because Russel Means and his group is not a sovereign entity.
So I don't see how Russel Means and the media think that Russel Means is acting on behalf of all Lakotas. Russel Means has no authority to do that. Russel Means and his handful of followers are acting under their own intiative and the U.S. more then likely will not even answer Russel Means and his statement of "unilateral withdrawal" from the United States. If any talks were to be held between sovereigns, it would be the entire Oglala Sioux Tribe and its members who would act for their sovereign nation. Russel Means is grandstanding for attention, but Means has no authority to act as a sovereign nation because Russel Means is only one Oglala Sioux Tribal Member.
The rest of you can express your opinion, but this is how I see it. Thanks. "
Those of you wrote on Jan 4, 2008 5:44 PM:
" Those of you that do not appreciate Russel Means and his right to speak, write, you always have the option to move somewhere else and see if the grass is greener in those areas.
Good luck! "
To: Me and Mine wrote on Jan 4, 2008 11:36 AM:
" I think, much like the Rapid City Police Department, the leaders of the Lakota fear Russell Means. He is a master of intimidation. "
RE: Silly People wrote on Jan 4, 2008 11:24 AM:
" Bingo! However Russell Means did achieve his objective; media attention. Now he will rake in the money on his paid speaking engagements. To see the local Lokata people reject him restored my confidence that the Lokata can manage their own affairs. (Not that they needed my approval) "
To: wrote on Jan 4, 2008 11:09 AM:
" You incorrectly identify "dominant group" members based on their skin color when the dominant group is actually the wealthy. Wouldn't Affirmative Action serve this country better if it were based on socioeconomic status rather than skin color? It seems odd that the son of a wealthy black doctor should recieve free college tuition while the son of a poor white factory worker should struggles to pull himself out of poverty. Any policy driven by racial preference is wrong. The racial preferences afforded by Affirmative Action is nothing more than thinly vieled discrimination. "
ME AND MINE wrote on Jan 4, 2008 10:58 AM:
" WHEN WILL THE TRIBAL COUNCIL, NOT JUST THE PRESIDENT, ISSUE A STATEMENT CONCERNING THIS ISSUE?!! DO YOUR JOBS OVERSEEING OUR RIGHTS AND MAKE A PUBLIC STATEMENT/STAND. AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT WILL ANSWER SOME OF THE PATHETIC, IGNORANT AND EXPECTED COMMENTS MADE BY SOME WASICUS. JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF SOME WHITE MEN SHOWING THEIR IGNORANCE. I CAN SIT HERE AND JUST SEE THEIR RED FACES AS THEY IGLUCANZEKA. SOMEONE NEEDS TO CHECK THEIR BLOOD PRESSURES, POOR THINGS!! "
Re; Human Rights To All wrote on Jan 4, 2008 9:23 AM:
" It doesnt matter how he loses the elections...the fact remains...the majority of people on Pine Ridge do NOT vote for him, and majority rules, at this point, whether you like it or not! There are ways to get a point across, and to inititate changes for the Lakota people, but radical, ridiculous actions like this are not it. PEOPLE, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THE REAL ISSUE HERE: This small group of people have taken on the assumption that they have to right to speak for each and every Lakota person, which is a philosophy that is purely European! Since when is this a Lakota way of life? No matter what Russell Means does, or believes, or thinks, he did this is a VERY BAD WAY, and that seems to be a recurring theme in his life. Why didnt he come to the tribe and at least TELL people about this? Instead, we learn about it through rumor and the Rapid City Journal. He is acting just like the old BIA Superintendants, assuming he is in charge of what is best for the lil Indian people on "HIS" reservation. Get your head out of his smoke, and look at this clearly. Its ridiculous, embarassing, and comes with some very serious consequences that we, as Lakota people, have yet to realize. To all you hot shot lawyers out there...is there a way to file suit against Russell Means for doing something of this magnitude, on behalf of people he has no right to speak for? "
Silly People wrote on Jan 4, 2008 8:58 AM:
" The Lakota are and will always be part of the U.S. No matter how much you hope, wish and pray this would happen...They aren't leaving; They aren't going to be fenced in; you will not go to war with Them.
Reply to Work Work: I suggest that you get over and move on also. The US entered into a Peace Treaty with the Tribes. Although you think the US has given Natives enough, the US will continue to give what they owe to the Tribes because of the written agreements. These Treaties were signed before you or I existed, it was not our decision, it is just reality.
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RE: Ryan - Go ahead and contact Russel Meansto9 wrote on Jan 4, 2008 7:21 AM:
" I sure hope Russel Means and Ryan get together to discuss and air their differences. I know Ryan would not be afraid to address his leader, Russel Means, face to face to fully help each other understand the realities of today.
And who knows, Ryan may even want to join Russel Means' breakaway group and form an excellent bond. "
PINE RIDGER wrote on Jan 4, 2008 7:00 AM:
" To Nihilist: ...but, but, but what about radical Islam? You know, *the Religion of Peace*? Huh? Huh? Huh? "
Re: reply to work work wrote on Jan 4, 2008 5:28 AM:
" Anyone who thinks a wind farm is going to make billions must have some garbage clouding their vision. "
Re: Affirmative Action wrote on Jan 3, 2008 9:15 PM:
" Hopefully you can understand the difference between dominant and non-dominant groups as it pertains to Affirmative Action. The dominant group in America are of White (Caucasian) heritage at 237,854,954 people in the U.S. The dominant group has been making all the rules in employment and education. And Affirmative Action was designed to open the field in education and employment that has been dominated by the dominant group (Whites).
And because of past discrimination by the dominant group (Whites) against non-dominant groups (minorities) Affirmative Action was introduced to help rectify some of the wrongs in the past from the dominant group (Whites) in those areas of education and employment.
Easy to understand, just open your mind.
Thanks.
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Nihilist wrote on Jan 3, 2008 8:58 PM:
" Give the Black Hills to the Lakota? What about the Cheyenne, Hidatsa, Arikaree, and Kiowa? They were there before the Lakota. Who knows who was there before them, maybe the Beringians and proto-Aztecs. While we're at it, give England back to the Celts, Rome back to the Romans, and Israel back to the Israelites-oops, already tried that! Bush will like it, since it'll gurantee unending war... "
Human Rights to all wrote on Jan 3, 2008 7:41 PM:
" Russ Means has run for President before on the Pine Ridge however since our voting process has two stages a primary and a general, he does very well in the primary (usually about 10 candidates for pres), near the top by a slim margin or at the top, however once the general is put into action all who voted for the remaining 8 or so band up and vote against him. He usually loses by a short margin. Bottom line Russell Means has a large constituency on Pine Ridge and a great deal of people who believe in his politics. Someone must keep the beacon of hope alive for all of us to fallow, someone must remind us of the difference between a shackles and chains and independance. "
Buchanan wrote on Jan 3, 2008 7:13 PM:
" Have they left yet? "
reply to work work wrote on Jan 3, 2008 4:40 PM:
" what??? or you really serious. Did you know that the mineral rights were also stolen from the native american territories, mineral include coal, oil, uranium, and gold. Your government did not giveus anything we let you have it because you are greedy. Tell me that you can harness an atom and I will tell you what your government has given me.
I work I pay federal and tribal taxes. Just because I dont have to pay state tax except when I go shopping doesnt mean that your government has given me a tiara.
Yeah, why dont you do let us secede how much of your soldiers would you lose?? How much land would you lose because almost all tribes are in litigation with the government for mismanagement.
My tribe does have its own government therefore is considered soveriegn with the right to kick non natives out of a reservation. can you kick me out of the state?? I dont think so! Out of america??I dont think so. The states have negotiate with tribes.
However, my native brothers and sisters are out there defending this country so you can bad mouth their tribe. So, if this was to occur, many of our warriors would come back to the rez!! then you and many others would be drafted. Then maybe our tribes can become allies with other countries.
You can have the land. When windfarms are built and our tribes make billions. youll be on the rez looking for a job.
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Lakota Wiyan wrote on Jan 3, 2008 3:36 PM:
" Does this mean that Russell Means has a movie coming out soon, that he needs the publicity for? Seems like he only comes back to SD to make a "splash" when it benefits him in some way! What I dont get is why these guys are subscribing to "white man's " concept of what a Nation is. Isnt this turning their backs on the true Lakota philosphy of government? And since when does Russell Means, and of ALL people on the rez, Gary ROWLAND (hee hee hee hee) have the dictatorship to require anyone to denounce any citizenship of any kind?? The saddest part of all of this, these guys are probably sitting somewhere pumping each other full of hot air, not realizing the damage that even the attempt of this could cause to so many people. Heck, Im OST member, and I would NEVER denounce my US Citizenship. I have to many relatives in the military now, and in the past, who fought many wars, and served and sacrificed so much so that me and my children, and their children, and on and on, could have the opportunity to become whatever we want. These people want nothing but Native people UNDER THEIR CONTROL, and that should never happen. I read what latin rage said, and laughed so hard! We didnt want Russell to be our President, and said it LOUD AND CLEAR...so who would ever assume that he would/could speak for us now? How embarassing. Go sit down with your little skinny braids and think of OTHER ways to sell out in Hollywood, Russel "Tonto" Means! Oh, but thanks for the good laugh, you old Has Been! "
who are the idiots wrote on Jan 3, 2008 2:41 PM:
" that keep funding Russell Means' travels all over the world? I keep reading about where he turns up and making an idiot of himself, but I keep wondering, where is he getting his money to keep doing this. To my knowledge he isn't wealthy, so some idiot(s) must be taking care of his expenses! "
Affirmative Action wrote on Jan 3, 2008 11:02 AM:
" Wrong! Affirmative Action fits the definition of Institutional Racism to a T. Whether you see it as such depends on which side of the entitlement fence you sit on. When a job posting begins with "seeking minority applicant", I don't see it as opportunity, I see it as exclusion. Just because it is government sanctioned, does not mean it is not descrimination. "
Work Work wrote on Jan 3, 2008 10:45 AM:
" Let them secede. Just make them generate their own power and organize their own government. Does this guy realize how many of the U.S. public utilities would have to be taken over by the tribes? The US has given the native enough. Get over it and move on like every other people that lost a war. Keep your traditions but realize the land will never bee returned...not my decision just reality. "
Inside South Dakota, near Ma & Pa Kettle's wrote on Jan 2, 2008 7:56 PM:
" Ma: "Pa, Ya herd of Russel Means?"
Pa: "Yup, Ma, I sawed his pitcher in the paper once."
Ma: "Well Pa, tell me what ya thunk."
Pa: "He scared me."
Ma: "Why Pa?"
Pa: "Cuz he just looked mean."
Ma: "Remember what your cousin said of Janklow?" "Looks ain't everythin."
Pa: "Ma, I reckon, you right. Russel Means prolly has alot to say."
Ma: "Darn right, I wonder if we coud be part of his withdrawal group?"
Siged Ma & Pa Kettle
Within South Dakota "
What do statistics mean? wrote on Jan 2, 2008 5:01 PM:
" According to a population survey done in 2005 there were 237,854,954 (that's two hundred thirty seven million, eight hundred fifty four thousand, nine hundred fifty four) people in America that are classified as White or Caucasian. Hispanic or Latino is next with 42,687,224 people under that race. Then comes Black or African American at 37,909,341 individuals that claim that ancestry. Asians constitute 12,687,472 members. Last are the American Indian and Alaska Native population at 2,863,001 (two million, eight hundred sixty three thousand and one).
Who is the DOMINANT RACE in America? Answer is: Whites at 237,854,954 people indicating their race as White or Caucasian.
The Dominant race controls all aspects of life in America. Education, Judicial, Senate, House of Representatives, Banking, Law Enforcement, Cities, federal government, businesses, pretty much all aspects of life are controlled by the dominant White society.
One of the Rapid Replies was trying to say that American Indians with their population of 2,863,001 people has the potential of dictating all areas of life in America and are racist against Whites because of that. That's nonsense. Any level headed individual can look at the statistical numbers for populations in America and understand that the number 237,854,954 is far greater than 2,863,001.
No contest, the dominant group or race has won. It is their ballgame and the rules are made by them too.
America is in denial, when it wants to look the other way about racism. Intelligent, logical thinking people in all races are the key to understanding what the dominant race has allowed the United States to become. Ask yourself a very simple question and come up with your own answer. The question is, Do you believe that some races are by nature superior to others? Therein lies the problem. What do you want to do about it? Thanks. "
Affirmative Action IS NOT Institutionalized Racism wrote on Jan 2, 2008 3:56 PM:
" AFFIRMATIVE ACTION refers to policies intended to promote access to education or employment aimed at a historically socio-politically non-dominant group (typically, minority men or women of all races). Motivation for affirmative action policies is to redress the effects of past and current wrongful discrimination and to encourage public institutions such as universities, hospitals and police forces to be more representative of the population.
This is commonly achieved through targeted recruitment programs, by preferential treatment given to applicants from socio-politically disadvantaged groups and in some cases through the use of quotas.
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Another South Dakotan wrote on Jan 2, 2008 3:41 PM:
" Readers, please don't think that all non-Indians in SD have attitudes like Yeah Right and others... Not all of us in this area contribute to the backwards thinking; not all of us had racist views bred into us.
Yeah Right, not every Native American falls into your catagories, not all NA receive food stamps, welfare, "free money"; some are actually educated, have decent jobs, grow their own food and livestock (imagine that!).
Clearly, Means and his bunch don't have the support of Lakotas. They are just there to stir up the pot to get attention...like the many non-Indians posting here. Many have also used this reply to post racist comments. There's more than one who posted that they want to go to war with "them" again...like Ryan, one white man and I live in the Hills.
Lakota Nation is not going to break away from the US; so your dreams of fencing-in Native Americans are just that...dreams.
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To: latin_rage wrote on Jan 2, 2008 3:20 PM:
" Finally a voice of reason. I'm sure many if not most Lakota share your view, but unlike Russell Means, they don't have the media access to voice their opposition. Perhaps a formal letter from the true lakota leaders to Russell Means will convince him how insignificant he is. "
nuwezi wrote on Jan 2, 2008 2:04 PM:
" I am not proud that Russell is the spokesperson for this. To me as a young lakota mother it is not my place to dishonor my elders at any expense. but i just want to clarify that there many treaty signers and rus was or his bloodline is not one. He doesnt have a real lakota last name. He is an elder i will respect him as far as that but he will not be the advocate for my sons or my duaghters. The elder women in my district, the katelas, the tokalas, all of the nacas, and the ira government did not agree on this and by traditional law if they did not come to a consensus than it is a dead issue. How dare he do something like that....maybe he couldnt find a good movie role so he has to start a ruckus just to get attention.
For everyone, we are a soveriegn nation, we are not affected by PL 280, if we did abolish the treaties than all non natives would be shipped back to their ancestors country of origin. This whole continent is native (first nations in canada, tribes in the us, and latins in mexico) this continent didnt have pale skins tell recently.
anyway, we can get along however, our racism is a result of reaction. I mean ur racist remarks and actions like slavery, termination act, relocation act, slavery, immigration, etc....its our racist reactions from your racist actions, lmao. "
Yeah right... wrote on Jan 2, 2008 1:34 PM:
" I say let them break away. Then let the US build a fence around their territory, take away their welfare checks, their food stamps, all their subsidies and free money. You want to be a sovereign nation? Be one! Issue passports and drivers licenses, grow your own food, raise your own livestock, pay import taxes, maintain your roads. Build your own hospitals and please do not cross the border to try and get free medical care, do it on your own. Oh, how will you get items to your nation? Surely you do not think you can just fly through US airspace do you? Is their Lakota land touching an ocean that links all Lakota territories together? NO.
Good idea, I say let them do their thing, then let the US Government turn the screws and see how many Native Americans flee the tyranny of the white man to live in this new nation, with no US citizenship, but hey... They do not have to pay taxes!!! What a bargain. "
latin_rage wrote on Jan 2, 2008 12:55 PM:
" First of all I want to say that in no way shape or form does this disillusiontional, arrogant, sad little man and his friends speak for my children who just so happen to be Lakota.The state department didnt respond to his comments not because of political pressure but because they have better things to do then to play this silly game with a man who should be hosptialized. The Lakota people made it perfectly clear that they did not want him speaking for them when they refused to elect him President. So why is he still claiming to be speaking for those that want nothing to do with him? Secondly he claims that the United States is an outlaw nation well as a US citizen, a father of Lakota children, and as a Marine I find that statment very insulting. If it wasnt for my family: Vietnam, Korea, Dessert Storm, WWI and WWII, Enduring Freedom and countless of other families out there that are proud to be Americans, Proud to be who they are and to be were they are from and answer the call of duty given to them by this country this pettly little man would not be free enough today to make this claim. Okay if this is an oulaw nation then why does he continue to read the laws of this county, why does he continue to accept the paychecks and why does he continue to us the legal currency of this county. "
Re:What's in a Name wrote on Jan 2, 2008 12:34 PM:
" I have lived many places and I have been mistreated down south because they thought I was a Mexican. When I told them I was Native American they were ok with me. When I have traveled I have felt some racism but mostly it has been in and around the Pine Ridge Reservation. People seem to be more racist against Natives than in other places. But, on the other side of the coin I know people can not stand white people or African Americans on the Reservation. I have friends in all races of people. I like what someone said, "I will not base not liking someone because of their skin color when I can get to know them and really hate them." We all value things differently and we also value things the same. I have come to a place in my life when I can truly understand we must seek to bring the same values we share together. Lakota have fought for this country alongside your sons. We need know we value family as well as small town values. Taking care of each others children. Helping our communities to become healthy so we can feed our families. These are goals that must strive for and not to make each other something the other can never become. I know Native People who are culturally white and I know whites that are culturally Native. We are people and people make mistakes. I ask you this my friend, when I come into your town I ask you treat me as a human. Doesn't the Bible speak of loving our neighbors as ourselves. I know the Lakota are to respect all living things and that includes other people. Thank You very much. "
Institutional Racism wrote on Jan 2, 2008 11:56 AM:
" A term coined by the Black Panther Party in 1960. I think Affirmative Action is an excellent example of institutional racism. "
What's in a Name wrote on Jan 2, 2008 11:45 AM:
" So according to a previous post, minority groups can continue to cultivate hatred with a clear conscience because racism is only bad when it is Institutional Racism. Because whites are in the majority in the US, we are the only race capable of being racist. Amazing how some groups will manipulate an idea in order to sterilize their own dirty laundry. "
To: RE: What I've Learned wrote on Jan 2, 2008 11:35 AM:
" Racism is racism. The term institutional racism is used by minority groups to absolve themselves of the very attitude they claim to abhor. If creating your own defenition relieves your guilt, then more power to you. Believing that racism is unique to particular race or social cast, then you are the reason it will never die. "
Leave Mount Rushmore out of the discussions wrote on Jan 2, 2008 11:18 AM:
" Mt. Rushmore has done more for the area, State, and Country than can ever be pondered by all of the what-ifers out there. The Native Americans should pool all of their resources and convince the tourist gougers over at Crazy Horse to get with the program and finish the carving. Sure, not everyone likes the idea, but what a place for Indians of all tribes and backgrounds to gather and be recognized. And many many thousands of tourists from back East would come here to hear the stories and experience the west and the Hills with the correct perspectives! The Crazy Horse complex is a big draw, probably second to Mount Rushmore, and there is lots of potential in this area for growth and platforms for debate and discussions. We can't do anything about what happened years ago. Thank God we are not still shooting each other like in the days of the Cowboys and Indians. Let's grow up and get along! "
Raven wrote on Jan 2, 2008 7:47 AM:
" I am not Lakota but am Native. I lived on a Lakota Rez ten years ago and some other reservations further west. I have known the Lakota spirituality for about 15 years, have gone to Sun Dances, Vision Quests, and Sweat Lodge.
I am all for the Lakota having their own land, especially Paha Sapa. It's not about money, it's about a sacred place that's been recognized as such long before Wasichu came and carved it up for yellow metal and defaced one whole mountain to create an idolatrous symbol of men from the east.
But I also have grave concerns. Anyone who's spent any amount of time on the Rez knows about the gang problems and the alcohol. When it comes to drinking it's not just Muskatel bought in Kilgore or valentine Neb. and bootlegged on the Rez (Rosebud) - it's also Lysol, hairspray and other poisons that the poorer people use to get drunk.
the teenage gangs walk around with golf clubs and baseball bats intimidating older more traditional folk, and drawing younger kids into their gang lifestyle.
Some Lakota might be upset that I blatantly tell the truth of what I witnessed and experienced but why not tell it? The Youth on the Rez should be learning the old ways, not adapting a lifestyle that smacks of inner city gangs. Talk about Wannabes.
I've heard some full blooded Lakota denounce the white men who came to the Sun Dances, or went up on Bear Butte. called them "Wannabe Indians." What's the problem if white people feel drawn to the Lakota ways and walk the good red road? Should we just let them keep on the black road and shut them off?
But at the same time I see the native Youth - not just lakota but other tribes as well who "wannabe" inner city gang members. these issues need to be addressed.
If the Lakota nation becomes a reality I hope that the leaders do address these issues and the elders who are spiritually wise begin to teach the old ways to all.
Get rid of the the gang mentality and the alcohol addiction and the entire Lakota nation will be a powerful and wise people once again. "
In 1899 the U.S. Supreme Court wrote on construing any treaty between U.S. and an Indian tribe wrote on Jan 2, 2008 6:59 AM:
" In 1899 the United States Supreme Court in considering a similar situation said:
"In construing any treaty between the United States and an Indian tribe, it must always (as was pointed out by the counsel for the appellees) be borne in mind that the negotiations for the treaty are conducted, on the part of the United States, an enlightened and powerful nation, by representatives skilled in diplomacy, masters of a written language, understanding the modes and forms of creating the various technical estates known to their law, and assisted by an interpreter [**14] employed by themselves; that the [*331] treaty is drawn up by them and in their own language; that the Indians, on the other hand, are a weak and dependent people, who have no written language and are wholly unfamiliar with all the forms of legal expression, and whose only knowledge of the terms in which the treaty is framed is that imparted to them by the interpreter employed by the United States; and that the treaty must therefore be construed, not according to the technical meaning of its words to learned lawyers, but in the sense in which they would naturally be understood by the Indians. Worcester v. Georgia, 31 U.S. 515, 6 Pet. 515 [8 L. Ed. 483]; The Kansas Indians, 72 U.S. 737, 5 Wall. 737, 760 [18 L. Ed. 667]; Choctaw Nation v. United States, 119 U.S. 1, 27, 28 [7 S. Ct. 75, 30 L. Ed. 306, 314, 315] . . . . 'The language used in treaties with the Indians should never be construed to their prejudice.' . . . 'How the words of the treaty were understood by this unlettered people, rather than their critical meaning, should form the rule of construction.'" n7
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I live in the Hills wrote on Jan 2, 2008 6:47 AM:
" I live in the Hills and I can tell you that I am not going to support this so-called break away movement. Come try to take my land from me and see what happens! "
Dec. 20, 2007 the article was written by Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers wrote on Jan 2, 2008 6:19 AM:
" The "Putin Threatens Recognition of Breakaway U.S. Lakota Sioux Indian Tribe" article was written December 20, 2007 by Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers. Thank you. "
Russel Means does not speak for me wrote on Jan 2, 2008 5:59 AM:
" I am an enrolled Tribal member in South Dakota and Russel Means does not speak for me. Russel Means at one time did have many good ideas and lots of people followed him, but I think that those times are gone as they realized Russel Means is only interested in Russel Means.
He has never been able to win a Tribal or National election as an announced candidate. Russel Means does not play by the rules. He simply makes up the rules as he goes.
And so, to you Russel Means, I respect you as the Creator wants, but I will no longer follow you, since I have learned your ways.
I believe you should stick to being an actor as that may be your calling. You really are not a leader of the Lakota people as the ancestors envisioned. Thank you. "
1999 Press Release of the American Indian Movement Grand Governing Council wrote on Jan 2, 2008 5:43 AM:
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AMERICAN INDIAN MOVEMENT GRAND GOVERNING COUNCIL
PRESS CONTACT: MINISTRY FOR INFORMATION
P.O. Box 13521
Minneapolis MN 55414
612/ 721-3914 . fax 612/ 721-7826
Email: aim...@worldnet.att.net
Web Address: www.aimovement.org
PRESS STATEMENT
February 20, 1999
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
TO ALL NEWS ORGANIZATIONS WORLDWIDE
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On Sunday February 7, 1999 the Minneapolis Tribune and other news organizations nationwide carried a story filed by the Association Press Boston, MA Bureau entitled "Case Tests Legitimacy of Indian Courts"
In this article the Associated Press, again, erroneously identifies Russell Means as a "Long time leader of the Minneapolis-based American Indian Movement." This is not the first time that this has happened (see attachments, AP story filed on January 8, 1988 by their Fresno, California Bureau, and response from the American Indian Movement's Ministry for Information). This former personality who was previously associated with AIM resigned from the American Indian Movement at least six (6) times, the latest on January 8, 1988.
The American Indian Movement's Grand Governing Council repudiates Russell Mean's challenge to the jurisdiction and authority of the Dine (Navaho) Nation's Criminal Courts. His recent reckless mis-representation of the American Indian Movement's well established position supporting the sovereign authority and powers of Indian nation's governments plays into the hands of all the anti-Indian forces that want to erode the sovereignty of Indian nations.
In 1972 during the historic "Trail of Broken Treaties Campaign" (see AIM Archives in AIM's official website at aimovement.org) to Washington DC, the Denver Chapter of the American Indian Movement under the leadership of Alice Black Horse, Hunkpapa Dakota; Rod Skenandore, Blackfeet/Oneida; and Vernon Bellecourt, Ojibwe/Anishinabe, designed a bumper sticker entitled, "AIM for Sovereignty." This was long before any of our Indian or non-Indian writers, educators, academics, intellectuals, or tribal leaders understood the concept of sovereignty as it relates to the powers and authority of tribal governments and true self-determination.
Sovereignty, of course, has become the basis of all forms of development, be it the strengthening of Indian governments, court systems, law enforcement, educational institutions, and, yes, casinos and bingo halls which brought about an infusion of much needed capital and all forms of economic development. Today many of our tribal leaders and Russell Means have either forgotten or never understood this reality. They think that everything fell from the sky like mana. Perhaps one day someone, somewhere will say Megwitch (thank you) to the many sacrifices of the American Indian Movement.
The American Indian Movement has always supported all sovereign Indian nation's absolute authority and jurisdiction over all Indians and non-Indians alike who violate the laws of any sovereign native nation, be it the Dine (Navaho) Nation, or the Oglala Lakota Nation of which Russells Means is a member.
What is especially egregious, and outrageous about Russell Mean's violations of the laws of the Dine Nation is that he is charged with assault and battery against his father-in-law, Mr. Leon Grant who is a revered elder of both the Omaha and Dine Nation and is 80 years of age and has an artificial arm. We, of the American Indian Movement Grand Governing Council are no longer surprised by Russell's clownish antics. He continues to deceitfully mis-represent the American Indian Movement in order to deceive those peoples and organizations worldwide, who due to their goodwill, and support of the Indian cause may have already, or will contribute to his appeal through his personal web page where he solicits money for the Russell Means Philanthropy and AIM Club Membership in name of the American Indian Movement, and an "Immersion Indian School" that never existed, nor does it exist at this time.
Additionally, this is the same Russell Means who as Director of the Cleveland American Indian Movement filed a legitimate nine (9) million dollar lawsuit naming as defendant, Richard Jacobs, and the Cleveland Baseball Franchise due to their chief wahoo logo that promotes racism against Indian people.
Upon his first resignation from the Cleveland American Indian Movement, he directed his predecessor, Jerome Weitzel, a caucasion American, a wannabee now known as Jerome War Cloud whom on April 19, 1983 settled the suit out of court for $35,000, or 35,000 pieces of silver. When asked where the money went, Jerome Weitzel was very evasive as to where his $15,000 went, but divulged that Russell Means also received $15,000 which Russell now says went to a survival school which neither he, nor we, can substantiate.
If it were not for the fact that this settlement agreement is so ridiculous that it would not be upheld in any court, it would undermine the work of the National Coalition on Racism in Sports and Media, and all others working on this issue.
FOR IMPORTANT DOCUMENTATION, SEE THE OFFICIAL WEB PAGE OF THE AMERICAN INDIAN MOVEMENT GRAND GOVERNING COUNCIL (aimovement.org) SEE MINISTRY FOR INFORMATION ON AIM's PROFILE PAGE. WATCH FOR COUNCIL ON SECURITY AND INTELLIGENCE FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
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To Putin Threatens Recognition of Breakaway US Lakota Sioux Indian Tribe wrote on Jan 2, 2008 2:16 AM:
" I would like to see the artical in print and not on the rumer mill, anyone can write that up. And for all those wanting to see racism alive and well come on up to Roberts County and sit in a Commissioners meeting and see how the gool ol boy's still get r done, it's no wonder why Indain people feel the way they do when these things or still happening right here in Roberts County South Dakota, can't beleive it, 2 elected native Sheriff's, 1 run out of office in less than 30 day's, the other hanging on by the skin of his teeth, a native women deputy forced to resign, a native jail admin. being forced to resign, and Russell Means is grabbing the headlines with this kinds stuff? maybe mr. means time would be better spent on helping natives in need of help like the one's mentioned above seeing nobody else seems to care, I thought this kind of stuff wasn't suppose to happen anymore. What's really sickning is nobody say's anything it's almost like it's acceptable?? How could Mr.Means county be any worse???? "
BrokenEarth.org wrote on Jan 1, 2008 11:26 PM:
" When you begin to organize, you begin to fail.
The strength of the Lakota people is rooted in the spirituality of the old ways. Following western ways will be the kiss of death. Demon-ocracy is not the Native way. You must have a leader who is authorized by the Creator, more like a noble King or Sultan.
A good place to investigate old ways, since much of the Native ways have been destroyed or forgotten, is in a strange place for most - the Ottoman Empire. At the peak of the Ottoman rule there were less than eighty-five official/paid employees. For those not knowing one governate of the Ottoman Empire would be about the size of the current Lakota Nation, with perhaps three or four paid employees.
Like the Ottoman Empire, you should not be permitted to become part of the Lakota NAtion unless you have two sponsors in good standing who will vouch for you. Vouching means that is you murder someone - they pay reperations if you can not. Vouching means if you swindle people and run, they must make good on your debts. This system is a self governing system. It is not easy to become a Lakota citizen nor should it be. The Ottomans required you to be Muslim, follow the divine laws and pledge your life to God. It was all God based - spiritually based - an important point. People will only self-govern if they fear wronging themselves and others and wish to serve a greater purpose. Otherwise you end up with Demon-O-cracy.
Passport should only be a mechanism for travel only - not control. There was nothing called passport in the Ottoman days. Two witnesses/sponsors need only verify who you were - not proviing citizen sponsorship, just confirming who you were.
Asking people to give up current US citizenship or any other citizenship is a hostile gesture and very foolish - ignorant at best.
In the Ottoman Empire you could live in the Empire without being a citizen, but you did not have the same status as a citizen. You also had to pay an excise tax for being under the protection and enjoying the services of the Empire. This was one of the few taxes. The only other tax was the poor due which amounted to 2 1/4 percent of your excess income above what you needed to survive.
A word of caution, do not ask immigrant Muslims about Islam. For the most part they are the very worst representatives of the Islamic faith. They are like Lakota people choosing to live in Washington DC rather than in their own Nation with their own people.
Your best source of information is Sheikh Nazim Al-Haqqani. Go direct, accept no intermediaries. He may tell you about the Ottoman ways.
Good Luck Lakota People. "
Putin Threatens Recognition of Breakaway US Lakota Sioux Indian Tribe wrote on Jan 1, 2008 6:15 PM:
" Putin Threatens Recognition of Breakaway US Lakota Sioux Indian Tribe
Reports circulating in the Kremlin today state that an enraged President Putin has ordered Russian Foreign Ministry Officials to begin the processes needed for Russia to recognize the Lakota Sioux Indian Tribe as an independent Nation, and who have now broken away from the United States by renouncing their treaties with their occupiers, and as we can read as reported by the AFP News Service:
"The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull[pictured left] and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States, leaders said Wednesday.
"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us," long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means told a handful of reporters and a delegation from the Bolivian embassy, gathered in a church in a run-down neighborhood of Washington for a news conference.
A delegation of Lakota leaders delivered a message to the State Department on Monday, announcing they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the United States, some of them more than 150 years old.
They also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and will continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months, they told the news conference.
Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.
The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free -- provided residents renounce their US citizenship, Means said.
The treaties signed with the United States are merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists say on their website.
The treaties have been "repeatedly violated in order to steal our culture, our land and our ability to maintain our way of life," the reborn freedom movement says.
Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said.
"This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution," which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said.
"It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent," said Means."
Putin’s anger, according to these reports, is based upon the United States engineering of the failure of United Nations talks on the Serbian breakaway province of Kosovo which is seeking independence, and which, according to Russian experts, will lead to an ‘uncontrollable crisis’ throughout the Balkans.
Putin was reported to have told one of his top aides that ‘two can play at this game’, in an obvious reference to the American President whom President Putin blames as being behind the machinations to increase instability along Russia’s borders with Eastern Europe.
Russian legal experts further state that of all of the United States Indian Tribes, the Lakota Sioux are the best positioned to have their declaration of independence from the American government recognized by the United Nations as they remain the only indigenous peoples in the US to have refused to accept payment for their lands, estimated to be nearly $1 billion, which they consider their ‘sacred grounds’ and have stated they would never relinquish.
It is, also, interesting to note that the Lakota Sioux are credited with one of the American Indians greatest defeat of US Military Forces in the Indian Wars by defeating the US Civil War Hero George Armstrong Custer and his Seventh Calvary in June, 1876 at the battle of Little Big Horn.
With these latest events, and with Russia as a potential new ally, one can only wonder if these long suffering and resilient Indians can once again defeat their age old enemies residing in the corridors of power in Washington D.C.
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Re: What I've learned wrote on Jan 1, 2008 1:17 PM:
" Attn: What I've learned! In order for alot of us to know what racism is let's look at the definition of racism: "a belief that some races are by nature superior to others; also :discrimination based on such belief--racist n."
So if you believe that some races are by nature superior to others then by definition you would be a racist.
As was provided in other posts the population by race is: White (237,854,954); Black or African American (37,909,341); American Indian and Alaska Native (2,863,001); Hispanic or Latino (42,687,224); Asian (12,687,472).
As you can tell the dominant group is White at 237,854,954 people according to the statistics as of July 1, 2005.
What is Institutional Racism?
Institutional racism is a form of racism which is structured into political and social institutions. It occurs when institutions, including corporations, governments and universities, discriminate either deliberately or indirectly, against certain groups of people to limit their rights. Race-based discrimination in housing, education, employment and health for example are forms of institutional racism. It reflects the cultural assumptions of the dominant group, so that the practices of that group are seen as the norm to which other cultural practices should conform (Anderson and Taylor, 2006). Institutional racism is more subtle, less visible, and less identifiable than individual acts of racism, but no less destructive to human life and human dignity. The people who manage our institutions may not be racists as individuals, but they may well discriminate as part of simply carrying out their job, often without being aware that their role in an institution is contributing to a discriminatory outcome. This not only threatens the efforts to improve health care for all Americans, but it also creates problems for a society that continues to struggle with a legacy of racial discrimination and oppression (Copeland, 2005). Although institutional racism may not necessarily be caused by intentional racism, it does however have very serious consequences for people of color in the United States especially in the health care system.
The Dominant Group or White Group of 237,854,954 people dictate the rules in America because of their numbers.
I just had to clarify to everyone on this Rapid Reply about what racism is and some of the misconceptions about what it is.
Hopefully this has helped clarify to the readers what we are all dealing with.
And especially to "What I've learned" that you also will be more informed about what you write in the future. Thank you. Happy New Year.
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Huh? wrote on Jan 1, 2008 11:41 AM:
" The Lakota "group" is the most corrupt, dysfunctional and disorganized political body on the planet. Without organization, no effort will succeed. I wish these people the best of luck and success. "
What I've Learned wrote on Jan 1, 2008 9:41 AM:
" Racism is alive and well in South Dakota AND it is being practiced by both Natives and non-natives alike. This proves that we are more alike than we realize. "
Re: Human Rights: Philosophical Views wrote on Jan 1, 2008 8:10 AM:
" You are so right! Life on the rez is great. People are prosperous, sober, and the new generation of selfish and disrespecful children is fantastic. Everyone knows our system of government is far better than anyone else's. Why it would be a miracle if we could get a hundred Don Garnier's to help push drugs, embezzel the tribes money, and set the example for all future Tribe Leaders that corruption is the best way to get ahead on the rez. I say again, your right, life on the rez sure couldn't get any better. "
Pamcakes wrote on Jan 1, 2008 7:25 AM:
" I really don't know why anyone would give this artical the time of day! does anyone for one second beieve this is gonna happen? I wish Mr. Means the best of luck because he'll most likely join his freind Peltier in a prison cell for doing so, and I'd be willing to bet the Black Hills on that. Mr. Means could careless about his people,it's all for political gain and media coverage for him, he must be running out of money, this guy is nothing but trouble always has been always will be, for the average Native American doesn't even want him coming around let alone speaking on there behalf. "
Human Rights: Philosophical Views wrote on Jan 1, 2008 3:48 AM:
" The Lakota Cultural Philosophy's lead to no homeless, all are fed, employment for all, universal health care and shame for those who have more than they need.
While the American philosophys allow for homeless people including hundreds of thousands of children, starvation of adults and children (in the millions), no universal health care and the a constant state of warfare.
The Americans know this themselves yet choose to elect leaders that bow to corporations and profits at the peril of their own.
Which philosophy would you want?
"
Small Minds wrote on Jan 1, 2008 3:42 AM:
" Another reply to One White Man: "Guarded" electrical fences don't keep anyone in or out; i.e. Mexico. As far as the unfair government giving them everything...it wasn't really given to them on a silver platter. It came only after signing a PEACE Treaty. What was given to them wasn't first rate. People of all colors, off of the Reservations are eligible for Government Aid: welfare, food stamps, PELL grants for education, health care-Medicaid/Medicare. Why don't "white" people around the Black Hills make a fuss about these poor people. The only difference is land ownership and they don't get to check the Native American/American Indian box when the government asks for race. I'm sure if the Government took away everything they gave them; to include the near genocide of their Tribes, they would fair better than what you expect. Passports are can be easy to get. It would be interesting to see "THEIR" country live like that. Unlike your view, I don't always see it as US vs THEM. If someone entered into an agreement in this day and age, and the one of the parties didn't hold up their end of the bargain, someone would be screaming LAWSUIT. "
No Wonder!! wrote on Dec 31, 2007 8:35 PM:
" With the venom spewed towards Native Americans from the views of mainstream America, it is NO WONDER that other countries hate the United States and everthing it stands for.
The goverment that the US is trying to create in Iraq is the very same government that was forced upon the tribes, and look how it has helped them.
Iraq is in for a rough ride if they embrace the US wishes. "
To One White Man wrote on Dec 31, 2007 7:19 PM:
" You say they should cut all funds to the Rez and put an electric fence around it? As another white man that is on the side of free people and free nations borne out of self-determination, I will join their side, and I don't give a rip what color they are. There is nothing left for free people in the USA, except for the daily grind that enriches the fatcats in the financial industry.
There are plenty of you so-called "Americans" that will always side with Uncle Sam, simply because you are too cowardly to stand on the side that is the underdog. I don't care about any status as far as who "wins" or "loses." The current system is a LOSS for free peoples, so there is no choice but to fight until America is returned to freedom for the average citizen.
Many of us here in this part of the world are well versed in these situations, and will gladly lend our help. Even Stalin had great difficulty in his struggle with us, so in that spirit I have two words for you...
BRING IT.
"
one white man wrote on Dec 31, 2007 6:31 PM:
" I live in the Black hills and if for some stupid reason this would ever happen they could have this land after fighting me and everyone else for it. heck why dont we put a 30 foot garded electric fence around the res and cut all government spending and take back everything this unfair government gave them. then not let anyone without a us passport out lets see there country live like that "
Oh! Ok, I get it wrote on Dec 31, 2007 4:56 PM:
" US Government aside,
He has overstepped his boundries; surpassed the Oglala Sioux Tribal governance and has is putting the Lakota people in serious jeopardy.
Hence; TREASON "
I am surprised RCJ would post this! wrote on Dec 31, 2007 4:52 PM:
" Ryan
wrote on Dec 20, 2007 9:42 AM:
" STOP ALL MONIES TO THE RESERVATIONS NOW!!! The only people that can help the natives are the natives. maybe we can go to war with them again. So does that mean all Natives will become illegals..YEAH!!!! BRIG IT ON!!! " "
Young Lakota Woman wrote on Dec 31, 2007 4:47 PM:
" This is just ridiculous. I wish these people would stop claiming to speak on behalf of ANY Lakota people. These people are well known Media Hogs, and look for any way to recreate their "radical days". Its time for this new generation of Lakota people to be allowed to educate ourselves, retain our language, since Russell Means and this lot, dont seem to think that cultural/language/spirituality retention is important enough; and make a new stand, on our terms, in our own way. They have proven that their big Grand Standing doesnt work, so why not give it a rest. The time for "statements" is over, and until they realize that they are hugely ineffectual, the rest of us are going to have suffer humiliation and indignity, until they run out of steam, or move on. There are ways to make changes, but falling back on this, and dragging Lakota people into this kind of embarassment isnt the way! Hasnt the past 30 years taught these AIM cartoons anything yet??? Retire, go make some more movies, continue your pandering to European Wannabees, but for the sake of the new generations....BACK OFF AND STOP MAKING FOOLS OF YOURSELVES!!! "
To: Anthony in NJ wrote on Dec 31, 2007 2:23 PM:
" You don't know much about the political atmosphere out here do you? Russell Means is as far from bravery as one can get which is why he no longer resides in South Dakota. He is nothing more than a hustler. Living in NJ, surely you understand what motivates a hustler? "
Sorry Tony: wrote on Dec 31, 2007 1:03 PM:
"
We want people that stand for something. Wait for the wind to blow another direction, perhaps toward Chavez. "
Chic wrote on Dec 31, 2007 12:20 PM:
" I'm sure many countries will recognize the Lakota Nation. It was meant to be a thumb in the eye of white America. In this day and age, trashing white Americans seems to be the rage all over the world. Climb on board while the fun lasts because the goodwill of this country has its limits. "
Sorry Mr. Archan wrote on Dec 31, 2007 11:45 AM:
" Peace has nothing to do with the proclimation. Anybody who is educated in the history of Russell Means and his group knows that this all about white hatred. Russ has never been and will never be about peace. "
Werner Archan wrote on Dec 31, 2007 10:47 AM:
" I hope my government of the Austrian Republic will recognise the Republic of Lakota as soon as possible. But I expect that cowards and opportunists will be afraid to do so.
My best wishes to all American Indians and all freedom-loving people! "
Anthony from NJ wrote on Dec 31, 2007 10:03 AM:
" I don't know how you people feel out there. But I am thrilled to see such bravery. I'd renounce my citeznship in a heart beat to join an Indian Nation. I think secession IS PATRIOTIC! That is why it is in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Gotta be done peacefully though. Like honorable people. Maintiain your cool.
And for those that think speaking out against our government is treason. You are the brain-washed one! "
Former Rezzer wrote on Dec 31, 2007 10:02 AM:
" Hey Russell, didn't this happen already in history? Correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't the Civil War about succession and the southern states declaring their "Sovereignty" from the union? All of your declarations are just empty rhetoric and who wrote your script this time, Chavez? "
Pamecakes wrote on Dec 31, 2007 9:09 AM:
" La de da, la de da, this is the same old same old, from this guy. I wouldn't take him to serious, Rulers like Chavez might listen but thats about it, no other county in their right mind is gonna go along with this except county's like Ven. Syria, Iran, and I dont think the US gov. really cares what any of those county's think when it come to our internal affairs, I would love to see people stop paying taxes, all this would end real fast if that happenes, uncle Sam wouldn't stand for that very long. "
Anthony from NJ wrote on Dec 31, 2007 9:08 AM:
" I don't know how you people feel out there. But I am thrilled to see such bravery. I'd renounce my citeznship in a heart beat to join an Indian Nation. I think secession IS PATRIOTIC! That is why it is in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Gotta be done peacefully though. Like honorable people. Maintiain your cool. "
White Man wants to JOIN... wrote on Dec 31, 2007 1:55 AM:
" I, an educated, professional white man would love to roll back the clock to 1913 America and earlier years. I believe, this would be possible on the reservation if closed its borders. It would be GREAT! No taxes, no police state, no authorities sticking their noses into my business... None of that idiocy.
I get nothing from the current US government that benefits me. Sure, they have paved roads, but I don't really need them. I'd be fine with a dirt trail. I get protection by the US military, but I don't really think I need it. I'm more afraid of the US industrialized-military complex than any foreign governments. I appears that most of the world has taken the stance that they can get along with each other just fine in this day and age, save the squabbling in the former communist countries as they sort out borders and take revenge on each other. Meanwhile the only threats I get is my own US governments agenda to use the military against me and my loved ones, and the overzealous police constantly overstepping their bounds. I have no use for the mandatory national ID system coming which will eventually lead to implanted tracking devices on every newborn human, and will end with our total enslavement to a totalitarian government ruled by fascism and corporatism. No sane person would ever want to live in the near future of industrialized collectivism with zero individual rights.
The only thing I might miss about the current world, is zipping along on a motorcycle. Heck, I'm sure I could get along fine on a horse instead, and learn to like it. (Certainly would be easier than learning to like being repetitively Tazered for some cops enjoyment.) I would have a few cows, some pigs, chickens, a giant garden, hopefully a little swamp for rice and an eight of a section to grow some wheat.
I would hang out doing my thing, have good times, and enjoying life in the manner I was put on this Earth to do so. I couldn't care less what the latest iPod or celebrity garbage is, and give could give a rip for virtually any aspect of the current society we live in... Oh, I'm pretty sure I'd miss the Internet too, but that I guess may just be the one thing I'd have to sacrifice. So, I might not live to be 90 years old under my system, and I'll have to work hard. Big deal! It would be worth it if I could just be left alone by all these rules, laws, laws, and even more unnecessary and ridiculous laws and taxes. I've had it!! And all of you can go to Hell, as far as I'm concerned.
"
to stupid wrote on Dec 30, 2007 11:52 PM:
" whos getting over thrown? "
One Word sums it up wrote on Dec 30, 2007 10:04 PM:
" Treason
Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour.[citation needed]
How do the Lakota handle a person that commits this act? "
Human Rights: To bigdaddydel wrote on Dec 30, 2007 5:45 PM:
" Thanks for your commonsense in international law and reason. It is painful to see our own Lakota accept violations of human rights and the interpretation of international law. Whether you are Lakota, Indigenous of sorts, Caucasian, Asian, African, Persian or Muslim your words are good to read.
Ho Hecetu Yelo!!! "
Boring wrote on Dec 30, 2007 4:27 PM:
" Yawnnnn.....This is so boring. I can't believe that people are still commenting on it. FACT ONE - No One is going to be renouncing their citizanship. DUHHHHHHH, it's just an idol threat. Talk is cheap. FACT TWO - If you want anyone to take you seriously, than you have to follow through on this IDOL THREAT and you won't. Don't you think it's time to stop the hating and join the people who are trying to get along????? "
t wrote on Dec 30, 2007 4:27 PM:
" Russell and his group should go to thier own land and leave the reservation, those of us whop dont support them should ban them as illegals on the reservation "
Remember when you vote wrote on Dec 30, 2007 1:24 PM:
" The American Indian has rights but so do all of the rest the Americans. One right we have iis to determine how our taxes are spent and to do what makes sense for the common good. The way we do this on the reservation and in America is to vote our conscienc , let's pay close attention to this and remember ti when we vote. And it is sure tiresome to hear dribble from some feel good about myself easterner that dks about what is really going on with our people. "
dabigdaddydel wrote on Dec 30, 2007 11:29 AM:
" I always love how the quibbling majority of naysayers always want to point to the Lakota's previous history as a means to ignore the fact that when the 1851 and 1868 treaties were signed, they were between the Lakota and the United States and specifically referenced the east side of the Missouri River, the entire western half of South Dakota which covered the Black Hills, and even included a portion of Wyoming.
If this treaty had been signed between the Cold War powers of the U.S. and the USSR, I seriously doubt there would have been any breach of the contract. Even after the Cold War Russian conglomerate fell, the U.S. has steadfastly honored the SALT treaties, even to the point of hosting Russian observers as ICBM missile silos across South Dakota were rendered useless in recent years.
If a treaty between two recognized sovereignties can not be honored, then the entire premise of this country - liberty and justice for all - is just rhetoric, forcefully used and abused by those who manipulate its properties to better their own pursuits of life, liberty and happiness while subjugating other members who are promised these rights, but never receive them.
You cry about the cost of the reservation system, but they were merely P.O.W. camps meant to move the Indigenous to undesirable areas while your hordes of invading settlers stumbled over themselves, and each other, to settle land that they, and their ancestors, were denied in their own homelands.
This unthinking action, much like the rush to war in Iraq and under similarly misguided lies and deceptions, now haunts the U.S. government as it tries to step out from under this obligation without seemingly reneging on another treaty right.
Again, if this treaty had been signed between an invading country and your family, you would still be fighting to have your family's rights honored, even to your death.
We are not different. We will not go away. We will call into question every misstep in the interpretation and enactment of these treaties. We will wrestle against Supreme Court decisions made in an age when the outcome was more suited for a country trying to gain a foothold among the world's elite, at the expense of the original inhabitors of the land.
If I suddenly camped on your front lawn, wouldn't you do everything within your right to have me removed, even to the point of killing me if you felt the government has given you that right of defense.
We are no different. "
LaDonna wrote on Dec 30, 2007 11:07 AM:
" Russell Means is not a founder of the American Indian Movement, as your article states. He joined the movement after it was already in existence.
The founders of AIM were Dennis Banks, clyde Bellecurt, Harold Goodsky and George Mitchell. "
Human Rights: The Lakota Deserve Theirs wrote on Dec 29, 2007 10:20 PM:
" Take a day and go sit at a library or a book store or even the internet and do a comparison of Venezuela under Chavez and the U.S. under the presidents in that same time frame (Bush and Clinton). Look into foreign policy, media legislation, economic legislation and outcomes, hell compare constitutions. During this time refrain from CNN Fox and MSNBC Unless Keith Olberman is on. After that sit and reflect on your country (U.S.) and start making plans for it's fall, your grandkids may see it, provided your now a young man or woman. When it does, it will be of there own doing. Implosion sounds about right. "
Human Rights: NO JUSTICE NO PEACE wrote on Dec 29, 2007 10:12 PM:
" Well people or peoples have moved about since the Whenever probably forever. The people in Britain and France where not there forever yet they are able to reside there because of the chips fell. The Lakota creation story is based in the Black Hills, the star knowledge held sacred to the Lakota centers around the Black Hills and finds it's center at Pe Sla (about 15 miles west of Hill City), I have heard stories of migration over beringia and travels as far as what is now france and only to return once more to our homeland, who happened by the black hills at the time of our peoples absence is what it is and nothing more. We were physically residing here at the time of the 51 and 68 treaties and therefore we find ourselves in this situation. We sure didnt break the contract, the U.S. lays claim to that fact. Study international law or at least read 1 book on it and you will quickly find Means is in the right and the U.S. has no grounds to stand on. The U.S. citizens should address thier government to get this straightened out. To those who want my food stamps and government go ahead and take them, I will get on the welfare rolls of the Indipendent Lakota Nationa State, or Uncle Hugo C. can help me out. "
to slowpoke wrote on Dec 29, 2007 8:04 PM:
" Do you know what a contract is? The United States were losing too many people and could not control the Northern Plains. A Treat or Contract was signed by representives of the US Government and the leaders of the Lakota Nation. This agreement was between two groups that were fighting a war. The US gave up and signed a treaty that would put the lands west of the Missouri to the Lakota Nation. It was call the Great Sioux Nation. If you believe in Creation your point is mute as far as who was here first. I for one believe the Great Sioux Nation is still here and the settlers settled illegally. I hope you read this because it is important to keep educating the uneducated. "
SloPoke55 wrote on Dec 29, 2007 7:39 PM:
" On what basis are the Lakota claims to the lands of Nebraska and the Dakotas? It seems that the claims are based on Lakota occupancy of the lands for all of history. But, is this possible?
In researching the history of the Lakota I have found that the archaeologists have found evidence that the Lakota actually migrated from the eastern United States. In fact, historically they are only latecomers to this area. And in fact they have found that the Lakota took this land from other tribes; either driving them out or killing those that would not leave.
Apparently their compaint is that they were treated better than the tribes that they displaced. "
Think about it wrote on Dec 29, 2007 3:19 PM:
" I wonder how Gummer would vote on this issue "
Another Idiot wrote on Dec 29, 2007 2:52 PM:
" When I learned the History of America through research papers and study I was upset. It made me upset because of what was done to the first people of North America. The world knows what happened here in the Americas. I realize there are european descent people who do not understand because there were not taught about the ethnic cleansing which took place in the Americas. Unfortunately, we are struggling with the Truth because it is not being researched and made right. Although we still have Reservations and this is a good thing because we can continue living as our own people. When I visit other places and am confronted with ignorance I say something because I have special status. I am an Oglala Lakota tribal member and I am a citizen of the United States. That will not change! Mr. Means will go down as one of our greatest leaders. The post earlier saying something about Banks, well I realize it was a slip but I assure you as a Lakota, he will go down as one of the strongest leaders in the 20th century. AIM was powerful and systematically taken out but they accomplished so much. When you realize we did not have the freedom of religion and because a few people said, No to the United States, things changed. So when you think about Russel Means, know he will be known as a GREAT leader. We will be fighting for change until things changed. "
Re: Means is an idiot wrote on Dec 29, 2007 12:59 PM:
" My bad not Dennis Means I meant Russell Means. See he is so insunificant he doesn't even rank as a person "
Means is an idiot! wrote on Dec 29, 2007 12:57 PM:
" First of all Dennis Means is in South Dakota for one reason and one reason only; other idiots willing to listen to him! I mean even in his home state they think he is a blooming idiot! First of all the Black Hills was NEVER owned period, the Indians and I mean all of them would not enter the Black Hills because they believed evil lurked there. Now that it is profitable of course they want them! Friggin idiots the whole lot of em! I am so sick of hearing about Dennis Means and his "Po us" attitude. Get over it already! This is from an American, with Sioux ansestory by the way. "
Foreign Aid wrote on Dec 29, 2007 10:51 AM:
" History will show the aid the United States of America has given to countries around the world. It is clear ignorance is a choice because people keep saying the same things. My hope is change will come and it will be the people who seek to be like Jesus. I do not want to sound like a preacher but the bible is clear on how we are to treat the poor. It is like treating Jesus. I am waiting for the Sacred Hoop to be mended and I believe it will be with the people of Jesus. Not a bunch of Religious people. "
Chucky wrote on Dec 29, 2007 9:18 AM:
" It sounds like a good idea to me! Cut off the govt. checks, money for new buildings, and healthcare. They will need to sign the Lakota Free Trade Agreement so they can send beer across country lines. "
From NY wrote on Dec 28, 2007 11:16 PM:
" Russell Means does not speak for all of his people. His attempt to send a message out to the world without the consent of true tribal leaders was reckless and I respect that determination (I would still respect and support it if they did agree. I know they could do fine without us. They are amazing people. That's a fact) Messenger notwithstanding, I still maintain the message is important, because when you don't listen to others, even to those of us who drive us nuts, you delay finding solutions. When you delay too long, everyone suffers. He did shine a light on the need to address the state of affairs for our precious National Resource, the Native American Culture.
I have a couple of crazy radicals in my family too, trust me, they are no fun for me either and ALOT of work, but by listening to them I know they bring important things to the table, and solutions are found by not tearing them down. Discourse and respect do work. They usually are right about a few things, and those solutions do need to be found.
Long after ignorant bloggers have forgotten this, there are those of us who cared before this, and still care, and will always care. And many of us will be checking in long after this dies.
And please forgive the ignorant and divisive whose fingers are faster than their brains. They too do not speak for my people, who love and hold your culture in high regard.
"
Mary wrote on Dec 28, 2007 10:23 PM:
" To: Human Rights and Peace for all -- All you see here is racism? Either you skimmed the posts and picked only certain words, or you actually like hatred in spite of/beneath your words.
There is harmony here. There is respect among people living here. But, what you see here is probably what you see everywhere. Your choice. "
Human Rights and Peace for all wrote on Dec 28, 2007 5:08 PM:
" I am amazed at all the ignorance on this blog. It hurts and is very frustrating to see the "Lakota" people on this blog behave as if they cannot exist without the United States. This is colonized thinking at it's finest. If you are afraid to suffer for independance and nation state status and then what good are you? Eventually whether it is tomarrow or 500 years from now this is going to be reality, provided that capitalism does not chew up and spit out what is left of the Oceti Sakowin. Find this same story on other websites and look at their blogs, you will find a great difference between the local comment and the international comment. The local comment seems to be full of self hate and racism while the international comment expresses hope and best wishes. Take a look. "
Beatiful Native Woman wrote on Dec 28, 2007 4:25 PM:
" To my belief, Russ took action without all of our vote. He speaks for his own reservation. The rest of us are trying to survive. Feed our families, bury our elderly with respect, and live a good, honest life. Please do not ridacule our people if you do not know who we really are. We are a strong brown nation. "
pine-ridger wrote on Dec 28, 2007 4:15 PM:
" All President Yellow bird-Steele has to do is issue a statement that Means does not represent us (Lakota Nation) hes probably still recovering from his LNI vacation in the Black Hills.. Maybe if we talk to Brewer he can issue a statement representing the Oglala Sioux Nation.. Steele is about as helpful as a hole in a bucket.. "
No Worries Rezzer wrote on Dec 28, 2007 4:05 PM:
" I wouldn't get too upset about the story. Most educated people (including yourself) see right through Russ's scam. Reasonable people will prevail. "
Fed up wrote on Dec 28, 2007 3:10 PM:
" Well if the Lakota withdraw from the US, doesn't that mean their on their own. No more federal aid, no food stamps, commodities, Wic, or anything else they receive free. We should now be allowed to tax them, they should have to be as anyone else and have to qualify and be a US citizen. Plus there is no need for Gov. Rounds to take a million dollars of our money to satisify their complaints about Bear Butte. "
Rezzer wrote on Dec 28, 2007 12:50 PM:
" This story should be retracted because it is a flat out LIE!!!!!
RUSSELL MEANS HAS NO AUTHORITY TO CLAIM SUCH A THING. This story needs be retracted.
The tribe needs to do major damage control over this.
Russell Means: How come every time you come around something bad always happens? "
yeha im native american wrote on Dec 28, 2007 10:56 AM:
" Russell never served the ppl or this country as felon & sellout to his ppl if this supposed country of his ever gets started creating foreign soil on US grounds i'd start proceedings for treason, if they let him do his stupid thing then i'd dis enroll my self from my own tribe in retaliation because we get nothing from being an enrolled member aside from having to work & pay for everyones welfare check., free health care, housing & education are what tribal members should take advantage of in a good way not use it a a crutch to be a waste of space in this world, for those of you who think paying $100 a month on a house is to much try living a one bed room apartment for $1000 a month & still try to feed your self & take classes you have to eventually pay for "
hau, wrote on Dec 28, 2007 10:51 AM:
" i wrote a comment before but it was never posted i wonder why ! any way i'm going write it in english so you might understand it better and it might be posted too, rusell is not a leader in a lakotas eyes,and ears, "
To: Interesting.. wrote on Dec 28, 2007 10:33 AM:
" Victory? OK, if it makes you feel better. Good day neighbor. "
To Russell Means wrote on Dec 28, 2007 10:32 AM:
" Why are you doing this to our children? We have enough problems on the rez. We deal with racism everyday of our lives. This stunt you are pulling AGAIN, makes it harder to get along with our white neighbors, e.g Rapid City, Chadron. The mentality of some white people will cause them to think that all Lakotas hate them, and we don't, we are supposed to be respectful, of all races. Are children are very intellient and they read all of this and now what do you all think that they think? Talk about confused! I didn't see where RCJ, put The Lakota Nation or the Oglala Sioux Tribe, they put a GROUP, so this GROUP are the the ones who should put a fence around themselves and all the donations they will be getting, in the meantime I will raise my children to have Lakota values and still make a life for themselves, be it poor or wealthy, because I am RICH in my Lakota beliefs. "
Interesting.... wrote on Dec 28, 2007 9:39 AM:
" It is interesting to read all of these responses. I am especially entertained by all of the "history" buffs. All the responders that say, "we won" the land. The U.S. didn't "win" this land. It was stolen! Fact! The supreme court even agnologed this fact. The U.S. declared war on "indians" and were losing. If you look at "history", every major battle (not fights against women and children, those aren't battles) between the US and indians was won by indians. The US recognized this and decided it was best for all involved to sit down and find a better solution; i.e. treaties. The US "won" when, the indians upheld their end of the agreement and made peace. The indians were the only side that even tried to uphold their end of the bargain. Under the Constitution of the United States, it clearly states that, "Treaties are the supreme law of the LAND". (huh, and i thought